Bordeaux 2009 v 2008 v 2005: Comparing Points and Prices

For those who like lists: with the massive ‘en primeur’ price increases from 30 of the famous Bordeaux Châteaux last week – 196% up on average on 2008 – I thought it would be useful to compare points and prices of the top 2009s with both the 2008s and the last great vintage, 2005.

The table below shows my scores (GQ) and Robert Parker’s (RP) for the 2009s and 2008s from barrel, and the price in British pounds En Primeur (EP) from UK merchants. On the right hand side, I tasted all the top 2005s in bottle for Wine & Spirit magazine for the Dec 2007 issue, five months before Robert Parker released his final scores. Buyers are dipping back into the market for the 2005s and 2008s against the more expensive 2009s: there’s a lot of sense in that.

dsc_06672008 was a very good vintage, even if, in many people’s view, Robert Parker was a little generous with some of his scores. It makes for some bizarre comparisons: Ducru Beaucaillou 2008 was rated 96-98 and the 2009 96-98+, yet the the latter is three times the price of the ’08. I’ll be re-tasting the 2008s from bottle in the autumn – follow me on Twitter http://twitter.com/GavinQuinney for updates.

Meanwhile, the better deals on 2009s were to be found on wines released earlier in the campaign, so it’s worth searching them out as many are still available. See also my separate post to follow for my ‘Best Buys of Bordeaux 2009’ and my summary of tweets throughout the campaign.

NB The exchange rate for the 2005s En Primeur in June 2006 was €1.45/£. A 2009 or 2008, at €1.20/£, is 20% more expensive for UK buyers than the 2005s were En Primeur, even if the price ex-Château remains the same.

Château A-C GQ 2009 RP 2009 £ EP 2009 GQ 2008 RP 2008 £ Now 2008 GQ 2005 RP 2005 £ EP 2005 £ Now 2005
Alter Ego de Palmer 91-93 89-92 £395 90-91 89-90 £280 91 90 £240 £450
Angélus 94-96 96-100 £2,350 93-94 92-94 £800 99 98 £1,450 £2,150
d’Angludet 89-91 88-91 £219 88-90 85-87 £155 91 90 £150 £200
d’Armailhac 91-93 90-93* £330 89-90 88-90 £220 91 90+ £235 £280
L’Arrosée 89-91 92-94 £320 89-91 90-93 £263 93 93 £255 £375
Batailley 90-92 90-92 £265 87-89 90-92 £205 90 91 £180 £320
Beau-Séjour Bécot 93-95 93-95 £520 90-91 91-93+ £298 93 94 £420 £480
Beaumont 87-88 NT £92 82-83 83-84 £80 87 NT £70 £130
Beaurégard 90-92 88-90 £310 86-88 85-87 £200 90 NT £215 £320
Beauséjour Duffau 94-97 96-98+ £900 88-90 87-89 £300 92 91 £550 £450
Belair Monange 90-92 94-96+* £1,200 90-91 93-95+ £850 90 87 £330 £400
Belgrave 90-92 88-90+ £180 88-89 88-90 £150 90 89 £135 £200
Belle-Vue 88-89 90-92* £125 87-88 88-90 NA NT 88 £95 £180
Bellefont Belcier 91-93 NT £252 88-90 NT NA 91 94 £190 £350
Berliquet 91-93 87-89 £220 88-89 87-88 NA 90 NT £190 £276
Bernadotte 88-90 90-92* £140 86-88 87-88 £110 86 NT NA £120
Beychevelle 90-93 92-94+ £520 88-90 88-90 £370 91 90 £280 £550
Branaire-Ducru 92-95 92-95 £495 90-92+ 91-93+ £275 95 95 £370 £490
Brane-Cantenac 90-93 93-95 £500 89-90 90-93 £255 94 94 £300 £410
Calon Ségur 92-95 92-94+ £600 90-92 90-93 £350 95 92+ £430 £500
Canon 92-95 93-95 £995 90-91 90-93 £370 91 ? £500 £550
Canon La Gaffelière 91-93 94-96 £695 90-92 91-93 £340 95 94 £500 £550
Cantemerle 90-92 92-94* £240 88-90 89-91 £170 90 90 £160 £190
Cantenac Brown 90-92 94-96* £395 90-91 90-92 £260 89 87+? £210 £285
Carbonnieux 90-93 89-92* £225 88-90 90-92 £190 90 91 £170 £295
Les Carmes Haut Brion 92-94 90-92 £440 88-90 88-90 £270 91 92 £344 £480
Carruades de Lafite 91-93 92-94+* £800+ 90-92 91-93 £2,400 91 89 £380 £2,400
Certan de May 93-95 93-95 £720 90-91 91-93 £575 NT 92 £500 £590
Certan Marzelle 90-92 91-93 £425 89-91 90-92 NA 89 89 £350 £470
La Chapelle de la Mission 89-91 91-94* £695 88-90 87-88+ £283 89 91 £240 £425
Chasse-Spleen 90-92 90-92 £195 87-89 85-87 £155 88 88 £153 £205
Cheval Blanc 97-100 98-100 £7,800 93-95 95-97 £3,300 99 96 £4,700 £5,250
Le Clarence de Haut-Brion 90-92 90-93* £1,000 89-91 89-91 £460 NA NA NA NA
Clerc Milon 91-93 90-92+ £420 90-91 89-91 £275 93 92 £270 £380
Clinet 94-96 97-100* £820 92-94 94-97 £540 94 92 £550 £600
Clos des Jacobins 90-92 92-94* £275 88-90 89-91 NA 90 91 £212 £350
Clos du Clocher 91-93 89-91 £260 87-89 88-90 NA 90 89 £189 £350
Clos du Marquis 91-93 91-93 £375 90-92 90-93 £250 91 91 £275 £350
Clos Fourtet 93-96 95-98 £700 90-92 92-94 £330 95 98 £430 £900
Clos l’Eglise 92-93 96-100* £1,500 92-94 92-94+ £500 95 96 £660 £1,000
Clos St Martin 91-94 92-94+ £500 92-94 93-95+ NA 96 98 £350 £1,300
La Clotte 92-93 92-94 £335 90-92 91-93 £250 93 93 £260 £360
La Conseillante 93-95 95-98 £1,500 92-93 92-94+ £600 95 96 £725 £1,400
Cos d’Estournel 94-97 98-100* £2350+ 92-94 94-96+ £780 97 98 £1,120 £1,350
Cos Labory 88-90 87-88+ £255 85-87 84-86 £170 90 89+ £175 £250
La Couspaude 89-91 90-92 £400 87-89 88-90 NA 89 NT £370 £420
Croix de Beaucaillou 91-93 88-90 £300 89-91 89-91 £195 91 91 £170 £300
Croizet Bages 88-90 87-89 £200 86-88 84-87 £135 85 86 £140 £200
Château D-L GQ 2009 RP 2009 £ EP 2009 GQ 2008 RP 2008 £ Now 2008 GQ 2005 RP 2005 £ EP 2005 £ Now 2005
La Dame de Montrose 88-91 91-93* £360 87-89 89-90 £175 89 88 £160 £250
Dauzac 90-93 88-90 £270 89-91 88-91 NA 91 91 £200 £275
Destieux 89-92 91-94* £315 90-92 90-93 NA 93 93 £220 £330
Domaine de Chevalier 90-92 94-96* £540 90-92 92-94 £270 91 92 £290 £395
La Dominique 90-93 92-94 £330 89-91 90-93 £240 90 90 £240 £250
Ducru Beaucaillou 93-96 96-98 £2,000 93-95 96-98 £705 96 97 £980 £1,250
Duhart Milon 93-95 94-96* £540 91-93 93-95 £700 91 94 £240 £630
Durfort-Vivens 90-92 87-89+ £290 86-89 NT £175 90 NT £210 £260
L’Eglise Clinet 94-97 98-100 £3,400 93-95 94-96+ £960 97 100 £1,300 £4,350
L’Evangile 95-97 96-100* £2100 93-96 93-95 £780 97 95 £1,100 £1,800
Ferrière 90-92 NT £240 89-91 NT £180 91 NT £175 £295
de Fieuzal 91-93 91-93+* £250 90-91 NT £190 88 90 £160 £220
Figeac 90-93 NT £1,750 91-92 NT £520 92 90 £650 £700
Fleur Cardinale 91-93 90-92 £270 89-91 91-93 £215 94 95 £200 £400
La Fleur de Boüard 88-90 91-93 £235 88-90 90-93 £180 90 89 £195 £240
La Fleur-Pétrus 94-96 96-98+* £930 90-92 92-94+ £850 93 93 £550 £1,350
Fonroque 89-90 91-93* £225 86-88 90-92 £150 88 90 ? £240
Les Forts de Latour 91-94 93-95* £1,100 89-91 91-93 £1,100 93 92 £650 £1,300
Fourcas-Dupré 87-89 NT £110 84-85 78-80 £95 87 NT £75 £125
Fourcas-Hosten 87-88+ NT £110 82-84 79-81 £95 87 NT £75 £110
Franc Mayne 89-90 90-93* £260 88-90 89-91 £180 91 91 £180 £275
La Gaffelière 92-95 94-96 £695 90-92 91-93+ £300 94 96 £400 £605
Gazin 91-93 94-96* £540 91-93 94-96 £360 92 94 £320 £480
Gironville 88-89 89-91* £90 NT 87-88 £90 87 88 £65 £120
Giscours 90-92 91-93* £430 88-90 88-90 £285 93 91 £330 £395
Grand Corbin Despagne 89-91 90-93 £200 88-90 89-91+ £170 90 90+ £135 £200
Grand Mayne 90-93 91-94 £290 90-91 92-94 £240 91 93 £250 £320
Grand Pontet 90-92 91-93 £250 89-91 90-92 £185 91 93 £210 £295
Grand Puy Ducasse 90-92 90-93* £260 88-89 88-90 £250 89 91 £165 £280
Grand-Puy-Lacoste 92-94 91-93 £575 90-92 89-91+ £280 93 95 £430 £650
Les Grandes Murailles 91-93 90-93 £420 89-91 90-92 £260 91 91 £250 £420
Gruaud Larose 90-93 92-94+ £470 89-91 89-91+ £280 92 89? £330 £384
Haut Bergey 91-92 92-94 £230 91-93 92-94+ £160 90 92 £160 £215
Haut-Bages Libéral 91-93 NT £285 90-91 NT £215 90 90 £200 £265
Haut-Bailly 94-96 96-98+* £930 92-94 95-97 £520 94 95 £420 £630
Haut-Batailley 91-93 88-90 £280 89-90 88-90 £210 91 89 £215 £250
Haut-Brion 96-98 98-100 £7,500 92-94 95-97 £3,000 98 98 £3,000 £6,000
Hosanna 93-95 98-100* £1050 92-94 96-98 NA 94 95 £590 £1,200
d’Issan 90-92 93-95 £475 91-93 91-93 £260 94 95 £300 £530
Kirwan 90-92 90-92 £390 88-90 88-90 £250 92 92+ £300 £400
La Lagune 93-95 94-96 £395 92-94 92-94 £295 94 95 £260 £500
Labégorce 90-92 85-87 £165 85-87 82-84 NA 88 NT £160 £180
Lafite Rothschild 96-99 98-100 £9,990 93-95 98-100 £8,000 98 96+ £3,750 £10,500
Lafleur 95-97 94-97 ? 93-95 94-96+ £6,000 96 95+ £6,000 £9,500
Lafon-Rochet 90-92 91-93* £340 88-89 87-89 £210 91 90 £215 £280
Lagrange 92-94 90-93 £400 90-92 90-92 £265 93 91? £275 £370
Lalande Borie 87-89 88-90 £180 87-88 88-90 £120 89 90 £120 £152
Langoa Barton 91-93 90-92+ £470 90-91 88-90+ £240 91 90? £390 £390
Larcis Ducasse 94-96 91-94 £480 92-94 95-97 £400 97 98 £670 £1,050
Larrivet Haut Brion 89-91 91-93* £220 87-89 90-92 £210 91 90 £165 £220
Lascombes 91-93 94-96 £650 88-90 91-94 £360 93 95 £420 £520
Latour 98-100 98-100 £9,990 93-95 96-98 £5,000 100 96 £4,500 £9,000
Latour a Pomerol 90-92 92-94* £650 90-91 90-92+ £480 89 90 £500 £500
Latour Martillac 89-90 90-92 £210 87-89 87-89 NA 89 89 £151 £250
Léoville Barton 92-94 93-95+ £750 91-93 92-94 £415 96 94? £470 £750
Léoville Las Cases 95-98 96-100 £2,450 92-94 95-97+ £1,000 98 98 £1,630 £1,950
Léoville Poyferré 93-95 97-100* £860 91-93 92-94 £375 96 93 £450 £650
Lynch Moussas 87-88 88-90 £240 86-88 88-89 £170 87 88 £170 £220
Lynch-Bages 94-96 94-96+ £900 92-93 91-93+ £440 93 91 £470 £800
Château M-V GQ 2009 RP 2009 £ EP 2009 GQ 2008 RP 2008 £ Now 2008 GQ 2005 RP 2005 £ EP 2005 £ Now 2005
Magdelaine 93-95 92-94+ £540 90-91 92-94 £470 90 90 £350 £400
Malartic-Lagravière 92-95 93-95+* £410 90-93 91-94 £250 93 92 £250 £300
Malescot St-Exupery 93-95 95-97 £670 91-93 91-93 £275 93 97 £355 £850
Château Margaux 97-100 98-100 £8,800 92-93 95-97 £4,000 99 98+ £4,500 £7,800
Marquis de Terme 89-92 89-91* £240 87-88 85-87 NA 90 88 £210 £260
La Mission Haut-Brion 95-97 98-100 £6,200 92-95 94-96+ £1,400 99 97 £1,950 £4,600
Monbrison 90-92 NT £225 87-88 NT £150 89 NT £160 £220
Montrose 96-98 96-100* £1,200 92-94 95-97 £520 93 95 £630 £820
Mouton Rothschild 94-97 96-98+ £7,800 92-94 94-96 £4,000 95 96 £3,350 £5,200
Nenin 89-91 91-93* £450 89-91 90-93 £320 90 90 £355 £360
Olivier 88-90 88-90+ £200 86-87 88-90 £160 89 NT £160 £200
Les Ormes de Pez 90-92 88-90 £240 88-90 89-91 £170 88 86 £165 £235
Les Pagodes de Cos 91-93 91-94* £400 89-90 90-92 £240 91 90 £200 £295
Palmer 96-99 94-96 £2,500 93-95 95-97 £1,200 98 97 £1,370 £1,850
Pape Clément 93-95 95-97+ £1,100 91-93 94-96 £750 97 98 £850 £1,100
Pavie 94-96 96-100 £2,200 92-94 96-98+ £1,200 98 98+ £1,800 £2,500
Pavie-Macquin 94-96 94-96 £780 92-94 93-95 £425 98 98 £450 £1,100
Pavillon Rouge 92-94 91-93 £750 89-91 NT £600 94 NT £350 £650
Pensées de Lafleur 91-93 89-91 ? 90-91 89-91 NA 91 NT £720 £900
Le Petit Cheval 91-94 91-93 £1,250 90-91 90-92 £540 91 89 £700 £800
Petit Mouton 89-91 90-92* £700 88-89 89-91 £275 92 88 £420 £825
Petit Village 92-93 88-90+ £400 90-91 87-88 £312 90 87 £285 £360
Pétrus 97-100 96-100 ? 93-95 98-100 £10,500 100 96+ £12,000 £26,000
de Pez 89-91 90-92* ? 86-88 90-92 £195 88 NT £140 £300
Phélan Ségur 90-92 90-92 £250 87-89 88-90 £190 90 89 £200 £276
Pibran 89-91 NT £215 88-90 NA £195 90 NT £150 £260
Pichon Lalande 92-94 96-98 £1,500 92-94 94-96 £600 91 86 £780 £750
Pichon-Longueville Baron 95-97 93-95 £1,000 92-94 92-94 £500 95 94 £725 £795
Le Pin 93-95 95-98 ? 93-95 94-96 £10,500 96 93 £9,000 £18,500
La Pointe 88-90 88-90 £255 88-89 87-89 £195 88 86 ? £240
Pontet-Canet 95-97 97-100 £900+ 93-95 96-98+ £750 96 96+ £460 £760
Potensac 89-91+ 89-91* £175 87-89 90-92 £140 89 NT £130 £180
Poujeaux 90-92 90-93* £210 88-89 89-91 £160 90 89 £150 £240
Prieuré Lichine 90-92 91-93 £350 89-91 NT £210 91 92 £240 £300
La Providence 93-95 92-95* £700 90-93 95-97 £600 91 90 £450 NA
Rauzan Gassies 89-91 89-91 £210 87-89 88-90 £200 89 92 £225 £290
Rauzan-Ségla 92-95 92-95 £695 90-92 91-93 £425 93 94+ £480 £700
Rouget 91-93 91-93* £310 89-91 90-93 £230 90 90 £210 £280
Saint Pierre 92-93 94-98* £535 90-92 92-94 £300 94 93 £300 £375
Smith Haut Lafitte 93-94 96-98+* £725 91-93 93-95 £340 94 95 £375 £520
Talbot 90-92 92-94 £400 87-89 89-91 £240 90 90 £280 £400
du Tertre 90-91 90-92 £260 87-88 83-85 £185 90 90 £210 £265
La Tour Carnet 90-93 91-93* £230 89-91 90-93 £200 91 91 £180 £280
La Tour de By 87-89 NT £115 83-85 85-86 £110 86 NT £80 £180
La Tour du Pin 89-91 92-94 £290 89-91 90-93 £300 NT NT ? £320
La Tour Figeac 92-94 91-93 £245 88-90 90-92 NA 92 91 £200 £340
Tronquoy Lalande 89-91+ 90-93* £240 88-90 89-91 NA NT 89 NA £240
Troplong Mondot 94-96 94-97 £1,080 92-94 95-97 £550 95-97 99 £850 £2,000
Trotanoy 95-97 97-100* ? 92-94 96-100 £2,000 93 95 £900 £1,400
Vieux Château Certan 93-96 96-99* £1,700 91-93 92-94 £550 95 95 £980 £1,050

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2 thoughts on “Bordeaux 2009 v 2008 v 2005: Comparing Points and Prices

  1. Kingsley LIU

    I note that you have taken off the article "The Big Match: Bordeaux 2009 v 2005" & replaced it with this one "Bordeaux 2009 v 2008 v 2005". I find the table in the earlier one comparing just the 2009 & 2005 vintages more useful, especially as it includes Jancis Robinson's scores for 2009. Would you consider putting that article back on & update the EP prices there too? Many thanks. It is a wonderful thing you are doing for wine lovers!

    1. Gavin

      Hi Kingsley
      Thanks for the comment and happy to help. The original post called The Big Match, Bordeaux 2009 v 2005, is still on the blog and up to date. Look under 'Bordeaux 09' in the panel on the right, or search the tags below right under 2009. Or in the article archive on the right under the panel. Best wishes, Gavin